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top of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with the biggest story in the world once again. egypt. they are calling it a day of anger. right now a military imposed curfew. and today more bloodshed. bringing the death toll for the week to more than 600 just one day after the egyptian military threatened to open fire on anyone who attacked them or their buildings. the muslim brotherhood responding, putting out a call to all supporters of mohamed morsi, the deposed president, telling them to take their anger to the streets. and they did precisely that. our own correspondent there, reza sayah, witnessing the worst of this so-called day of anger in downtown cairo. here he was. >> reporter: let's go see what's happened. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: okay. this is someone who appears to be injured. i see a hole in his side.
come this way. okay. okay. it looks -- it looks like he's been shot. and he looks remarkably calm. i saw that there could be a bullet wound in his leg. as we've seen so often, one of the fellow demonstrators taking him on a motorcycle away. and then i think we have another person who's injured. we have another person who appears to be injured on the ground here. okay. let's see if we can -- okay. this is just an awful, awful scene. >> reza there describing those shot and injured. now this. you can guess what this is. one of several makeshift morgues. bodies one after another after another. and then there's this.
video showing the moment people are jumping from a bridge, down to the street below because apparently that's the better option in their attempt to avoid gunfire. reza sayah joins me now with all of this that you're taking in, that you're witnessing there with your own eyes. and now, reza, we're hearing reports of tear gas and gunfire. tell me what you're seeing and hearing right now. >> reporter: well, it's 8:00 p.m. local time. a curfew has been in effect for about an hour. it seems to have calmed things down in most neighborhoods around cairo. we're monitoring state tv. it looks like some activity taking place in a few neighborhoods. a building is on fire. so it looks like some protesters are still out. but this was another bloody and violent day where more egyptians were injured and more egyptians were killed. and it's becoming increasingly clear that this country is sliding deeper and deeper into turmoil and uncertainty. and what's even more worrisome
is there's absolutely no sign of anyone coming up with a solution to end this conflict. there are conflicting death tolls. authorities say 17 people have been killed, at least. and 40 people have been injured. but that number seems low based on what we witnessed in only one neighborhood in cairo. that particular neighborhood earlier today, i counted at least 40 people who were injured. many had been shot. many were hurt badly. of course, all of this part of a day of anger. what was dubbed by the muslim brotherhood. it was supposed to be their response to the bloody government crackdown on wednesday that killed hundreds of people. this was supposed to be their way of saying, we're not down. we're still standing. and we're still fighting. their plan was to march to a final destination, a major square called ramsey square. but security forces had blocked off several thoroughfares to that location. and that's where the clashes took place. what makes reporting so difficult in these situations is that it's virtually impossible
to figure out who starts these gunfights. security forces say it's the protesters firing first. the protesters say it's security forces, brooke. but whoever starts it, the response from security forces is absolutely ferocious. and we're seeing the results. many people, most of them apparently unarmed based on what we saw, are injured and some are killed. >> reza sayah, thank you for your reporting in cairo for us. this unsettling scene that we've been watching in cairo and also neighboring cities, it is being watched the world over. no more so than in egypt's tiny neighbor israel. cnn's jim clancy is there in jerusalem for us. the time there just after 9:00 p.m. the jewish sabbath has begun. jim, how nervous are the israelis about what's happening just next door? >> reporter: nervous. you know, you talk to individual israelis. they're watching this nonstop on cnn and other news channels.
they're very concerned what is happening in their neighbor's house. but officially, we talked to a spokesman for the prime minister's office who told us fl flatly, we're not saying anything on egypt. they do not believe that would be productive. at the same time the israeli view has been expressed off the record by others who wish to remain anonymous, saying that they believe it's only the military that can maintain order. prevent the country from sliding into chaos. at the same time, they're concerned about militants in the sinai desert region. militants who in the last week have fired and tried to fire missiles into egypt. they're concerned that as the military is so busy with the muslim brotherhood, will they lose some of their focus there on trying to control that situation. they are also glad that this military after deposing mohamed morsi made a move against hamas, an ally of the muslim brotherhood, destroying many of the tunnels if not most of the
tunnels that lead into gaza. that undercuts hamas's ability to move in cash and arms as well. so the israelis are looking at a situation tonight that they would like to see settled and settled sooner rather than later. brooke? >> we also, jim, just wanted to point out some historical context. taking viewers back to 1979 egypt makes peace with israeli's first arab leader. look at this archival video. jimmy carter is there. consider which side. flash forward to today. which side would sadat be on in cairo? the israelists or the military? >> that's not a difficult choice at all. he was a military man. he led egyptian forces into battle in the 1973 war. he would be very much on the side of the military and against the islamists. of course, he was assassinated not by the muslim brotherhood directly but by a group known then as the egyptian islamic
jihad. that's how he met his end. and, therefore, you know, trying to assess where he would stand today, pretty clear and a lot of others in the region tonight are also standing with the military, saying that they understand the need to restore order and safety for the egyptian people. voicing support from aman and other places in the middle east. brooke? >> jim clancy in jer rus lum. wall street. take a look for yourself. stocks back in the red today. no huge movements up or down. you can see it's down just about 35 points here. unless there's a late afternoon rally the dow will finish in its second straight week of declines. and new jersey. the governor there, chris christie, is fast approaching a deadline he set for himself on a bill that one family says means life or death for this 2-year-old little girl. look at her. this is vivian wilson. she suffers from a form of epilepsy that responds well to
marijuana. and only to marijuana. this is according to her family. the governor says today is the day he will decide if, in fact, he chooses to sign into law new jersey senate bill 2841. the bill would let vivian consume medical marijuana by eating it or drinking it. so right now as a 2-year-old, you know, she can't do that. vivian's father says he got desperate. so as a last resort, he confronted chris christie on a campaign stop. >> i'm just wondering if i can have half a minute? i've been trying to get in touch with you and i can't get through to you. i was wondering -- >> sir, these are complicated issues. i know you think it's simple and it's not. i know you think it's simple. and it's not. it's simple to you. it's not simple for me. >> have you heard from our doctors? >> i have read everything that's been brought to me. i'll have a decision by friday. i wish for the best for you, your daughter and your family. i'm going to do what i think is best for the people of the
state. all people of the state. >> do you think it's best for the governor to come between the doctors and their patients? >> sir, i'm making -- i'm elected to make these decisions. i'll make the decisions and i'll make it in time for friday. >> our elected representatives have spoken to us and told you that they wanted to. please don't let my daughter die, governor. don't let my daughter die. >> we're going to actually talk to sanjay gupta about this for just a minute in studio. rosa flores covering the story for us from new york. you just got back from a chris christie event. any word as we await the final decision from the governor? >> well, brooke, you know, the outspoken governor was tight lipped about the medical marijuana bill that has been sitting on his desk for about two months now. now, i asked him plane oin out, you going to sign this bill? no word from him yet. no response. that, of course, was not the case on wednesday. you saw the video when we went face to face with the father of
a 2-year-old girl who confronted him at another event. i've got to warn you, some of the video that you're about to watch is a little difficult to watch. brian wilson, here's the back story. brian wilson's 2-year-old daughter, vivian, suffers from a rare form of epilepsy. her father tells us that she gets 20 to 70 minor seizures a day. averaging one major seizure every four days. this is where the video gets a little difficult to watch. she wears an eye patch, brooke, because patterns in the environment trigger more seizures for her. the wilsons found out that medical marijuana had helped other children suffering from seizures, so that's why they wanted to explore this option so they lobbied legislators to get a medical marijuana bill passed that would make the medical marijuana that little vivian needs available to her in new jersey. we should add the american academy of pediatrics opposes cannabis. but we are waiting to hear from
governor chris christie's office about this decision sometime today. i just got off the phone with one of his pr people. and no word yet. brooke, i should add that the wilsons do say that if the governor vetoes this bill, they would consider moving to another state. they say like colorado. which they say is more compassionate to children. and here's the wrench in all of this. little vivian, if they do move, would not be able to visit, they tell me, their family innier ij because she would have to travel with her medical marijuana. it would be illegal in new jersey. >> tough to look at her seizing on the ground. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta here with me. i have a lot of questions about this. i know you've been doing a lot of research for your documentary that's reairing. let many ask you this. we need to be crystal clear with the viewers that medicinal marijuana is legal in new jersey, right? it's the conditions of how you intake the marijuana. so that's what you -- i want you
to explain to me. >> there's two major issues, i think, that are part of this legislation. one is exactly that. you can't imagine a 2-year-old obviously smoking this or even vaporizing it. they do have lozenges, potentially. they're hard for a 2-year-old to take. she could potentially choke on it. i saw a girl in colorado who got it as an oil. >> charlotte. >> yeah. they create this tincture. they put it in food or squirt it underneath the tongue. that was an easier way for the child to take it. they want to make it so it can be given in that form. the other issue, this idea marijuana is a generic term for lots of different strains of cannabis. what we're talking about here is something that is high in cbd which is the medical part. >> lower in thc. what gets you high. >> which is the psychoactive part. not all marijuana strains are the same. right now they want to increase the number of strains that would be available to kids like vivian. >> obviously we can't crawl into chris christie's brain to understand what he's grappling with. i've read comments he's
reluctant, talking about the slippery slope with kids and this. what they're hoping for, i listened to you and the dad last night on "anderson" saying we just want it to be something she can ingest, maybe an oil, a butter. if it's already legal to smoke, what do you think he is wr wrestling with? >> part of this, you're absolutely right. it's the fact this is a 2-year-old kid. it gives everybody pause. it gives people pause in colorado where it's already legalized and where children do get treated. it gives pause in new jersey. i think part of this is that you'd love to have more science on this. i can tell you it's tough to get science on adults, let alone kids. because at the heart of this you're dealing with a federally illegal substance. but there is science. there is some science, more than 40 patients, all children, who have the same thing that vivian has, the same thing charlotte has, have received variance of medical marijuana, variance of these strains that i'm talking about and had improvement. many of them, including charlotte, off of all of her other medications. now just on these tinctures of marijuana. there is some evidence of this.
as you just heard from rosa, we're talking about compassionate care here. this is a compassionate care clause. vivian is at real risk here not only of continuing to seize but real risk of death. it's got to be a tough thing for him to grapple with. >> he is grappling perhaps at this very moment. we will have some sort of answer according to him by the end of the day today. >> i'm curious to see what happens. >> we'll talk next hour. dr. gupta, thank you very much. do not forget to watch sanjay's special calm ecalled "weed." he'll take a look at whether marijuana is harmful or helpful. 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific only on cnn. coming up, as hannah anderson returns to her life after being kidnapped, you will see a real life experiment in which parents are tested to see if they would actually recognize a missing kid. wait until you see what happens. plus, once again, the nsa under fire. this time for reportedly breaking privacy rules concerning your e-mails and your phone calls. stay right here.
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the nsa may have seized your e-mails and your phone calls by mistake. this is "the washington post." stunning report in the paper this morning. the nsa, they say, broke privacy rums. quoting them thousands of times every year since 2008. some blunders were accidental. apparently the nsa once intercepted a bunch of phone calms from washington, d.c., instead of egypt. they give this one example. they say a programming error confused the dc area code 202 for 20. international dialing code for egypt. one example the post cites. another, other nsa flubs were intentional like scooping up e-mail data from 3,000 americans that apparently happened back in 2011. mistakes were listed in an nsa internal audit that only covers the washington, d.c., area. and in top secret documents from nsa leaker edward snowden himself. these new revelations today may contradict president obama's
recent assurances, remember he talked last friday, about nsa surveillance programs. >> a general impression has, i think, taken hold not only among the american public but also around the world that somehow we're out there willy-nilly just sucking in information on everybody. and doing what we please with it. that's not the case. >> let me bring in three pinuated voices. ben ferguson and erol lewis. david soroda, i want to begin with you. my first question, when we look at edward snowden you hear it from different camps. you hear traitor. you hear patriot. here we are. we are still clearly talking about this and debating this. is what snowden did in the long run good for americans? suroda? >> absolutely. i think he's a hero. i think today's story is vindication of the fact he's a whistle blower. this story that was in the "washington post" today about the government breaking the law
thousands of times a year in just one part of nsa, not the whole nsa, just one part, breaking the law thousands of times per year vindicates the idea that edward snowden was blowing the whistle on very real crimes. the question is, where are the prosecutions? >> we're going to get to that. ben ferguson, go. >> i think he's a traitor. and if you're a patriot and a hero, you don't go to a communist country like russia to hide out and beg for your existence to be able to stay there for a year. so i don't think he's a hero. but more importantly, there needs to be some oversight, yes. but a lot of these quote, unquote, crimes that were committed that we found out about this morning were actually committed by computers. so i don't know if you can give a computer ten years to life in prison or can you give a computer the death penalty? i'm not sure you can. so this was not always human error as much as this was there were issues with the computer and how they were pulling information and data and phone calls from americans. i think that's very important to point out. >> okay. erol, i want to get to you.
let me jump to this. the chief judge -- this is the fiac. which has the authority over some nsa operations says that his court doesn't have the proper too mals to monitor all nsa surveillance programs and must rely on the government. then you also have the president. listen to this. >> now, part of the reason they're not abused is because these checks are in place. and those abuses would be against the law. and would be against the orders of the fisc. >> erol, where does that leave americans? >> it's not good enough i think is where it leaves us. the president reverting to his original job as a constitutional scholar seems to think that, well, it's all perfectly balanced. we'll have a court do the oversight and everything will be fine. as you said the head of the foreign intelligence surveillance court says they don't have the independent means to verify whether what they are
told is true or not. and he compared it to other court orders. he said the court is always dependent on the government to follow its orders. the thing is there's no contempt that can be cited. you know, what happens is in secret. the intelligence agency might get sort of a reprimand months after the fact. even that is secret. the president's policy, i think, and what he talked about seven days ago, i think is pretty much done. and he's now going to go through this, administration going to go through something akin to the stages of grief after death. you've got denial. you've got anger. you've got bargaining. >> where are we now? what stage are we in now? >> i think bargaining is going to end. we're going to get closer to acceptance. >> go ahead, ben. jump in. >> look, i think what we found out and what really stands out to me in this new information is, there is two issues here. one, congress either just is not paying enough attention to these issues because they are the ones that have been briefed on most
of this and were allowing it to happen. so there should be a lot of americans saying to your congressmen on both sides of the aisle, where were you guys since '08, '09, '10,' 11,' 12. why aren't you paying attention to the information? they seem to completely have no clue what the nsa is doing. >> hold on. remember what "the washington post" said. i'm not disagreeing with you that congress didn't do its job. one of the key nuggets in the "washington post" story today is that the nsa has been withholding this information from congress. that is even the people in the congress who are the most prosurveillance, dianne feinstein, for instance, has said and the intelligence committee members have said, and "the washington post" reported that the nsa, the obama administration, has been withholding this. the question is, why would the president go out on friday and insist there's been no abuses? is that a lie? did he see this audit data and then simply lie? or does he have no idea what his own government is doing? >> let me just jump into david sirota's point for our viewers.
if you haven't read this article to the point of dianne feinstein. she is the senate intelligence committee chair who did not receive a copy of the 2012 audit till the post asked her staff about it. she said in a statement the committee can and should do more to independently verify the nsa's operations are appropriate. point being clearly she hadn't seen it. it's impossible, i would imagine, to see every single teeny tiny audit. my question, i guess, if you have congress and courts sort of doing this, my question, i guess, is about a watchdog. do we need to watch the watchdog? who's the watchdog here? >> i think the watchdog was supposed to be congress. and either there's some incompetence by members of congress, that's probably pretty easy to agree that there are at least some incompetence. i also think a lot of this is total lack of transparency by the obama administration to purposely keep this information from getting to tv like it is right now. because it does not look good for the obama administration.
the administration who ran on more transparency and on limiting nsa and limiting wiretapping and limiting all these programs. >> ben, i've got a question for you. very simple question. >> sure. >> if that's true, if there hasn't been enough transparency, i agree with you there hasn't been enough transparency, how can you then call edward snowden a traitor? edward snowden is the one who brought this transparency, who has forced the information into the public sphere. >> let me answer that. two wrongs don't make a right. just because you have an issue with something that's happening doesn't mean that you then break the law yourself. and then go give these secrets to countries all over the world. >> i thought the idea was if you see something, say something. >> here's -- >> go ahead, errol. jump in. >> the only reliable -- the only reliable watchdog is the four of us and our colleagues in the media. and that involves doing all the digging you can and cultivating sources and, yes, some of them are unsavory. yes, some of them are lawbrea r
lawbreake lawbreakers. one of them might be named edward snowden. that's not what's important. what's important is that we get the policy -- enough transparency that we have at least the possibility of looking over the shoulder of both the court and the congress and the nsa. because obviously government is not doing the job the way the president had promised. >> let me make sure we get in. this is what, again, i go back to this "post" reporting. this is what this nsa official, speaking on condition of anonymity, speaking with white house permission, this is what he or she said. we are a human run agency operating in a complex environment with a number of different regulatory regimes. so at times we find ourselves on the wrong side of the line. final thoughts? ben ferguson? >> yeah. they do find themselves on the wrong side of this one. and part of it is because i think they knew many times they were on the wrong side of it on purpose. that is where the president should come out and say we're wrong on this. we're going to fix it. he seems to still be helping cover for the nsa and their
abuses the way he did on friday. and many, i would think, especially many liberal democrats who don't like these programs in general should be all over this issue. and they seem to be a lot of them them, quiet. >> i agree. >> whoa. >> my final thought is simple. edward snowden is bringing the transparency to this. we don't know about this law breaking except for whistle blowers. that's why you see the obama administration trying to prosecute whistle blowers at a record level. to say to other whistle blowers, if you see illegal activity you better shut up or you're going to face the worst kind of punishment. >> sounds like you all disagree upon the way perhaps we describe edward snowden. bottom line, we need more government transparency. thank you all three of you. breaking now on cnn, word of possible bombs in the denver area after police take down a shooter. we are talking grenades, propane tanks, explosives. stay right here.
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therefore we evacuate the area so no one would be in harm's way. the bomb squad right now is actively trueing to mitigate those potential devices. this is obviously app ongoing investigation. the information is very preliminary. >> again, just to recap. the shooter who police tracked down is now in the hospital undergoing surgery. one woman is dead. another has been shot in the leg. police believe there are several incendiary devices, again, propane tanks, grenades. they believe there could be two, possibly three of those devices. they do not know why. don't have a motive or connection between the shooter and the victims. we'll stay on it for you. stay tuned to us here on cnn for that. coming up, imagine this. a playground plastered with these. missing child posters. only this time, the child is actually right there in the playground. it's a new experiment from our friends at hln. the results may surprise you. that's next. the great outdoors, and a great deal. grrrr ahhh
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this week about hannah anderson, the 16-year-old who was kidnapped and rescued only to learn her mother and brother were murdered. i want to take the conversation today just a bit further from that. because when a child goes missing, the first three hours are considered the most critical. conventional wisdom is to blanket an area with posters of the missing child. but what if no one stops, puts their phones down and looks at them? let me stress in this piece you're about to see that the child featured was never missing, never in danger. with that said, here is hln's lynn berry. >> meet ryan. he's the son of a producer on "raising america." we put ryan's picture on a missing poster. with his age. height. and weight. and surrounded a playground at a busy atlanta park with the flyers on two separate days. then with cameras rolling, we sent him out to play.
right by the posters. these people sitting on a bench right next to the playground, not acknowledging the flyers or ryan. and how about these people? swinging near him. david zizzy's daughter noticed the posters. though he didn't at first. >> a lot of times it's usually a dog or cat or something. i just don't really pay a lot of attention to them. when we walked by them, i didn't look initially because i thought that's what it was. >> reporter: other people looked at the posters and kept right on walking. but even some people who looked intently didn't notice the supposedly missing boy right in their midst. did you keep extra attention because you'd seen the sign? >> absolutely. >> reporter: what if i told you you were actually swinging right next to this little boy. >> what? no way. i thought i actually -- the guy with the cap? atlanta hat? is that him? >> reporter: that's him. >> wow. >> reporter: are these effective? >> i guess not.
>> reporter: the few people who noticed ryan and took action, heroes in our book. that's marie williams. a mom herself. recognizing ryan, pointing him out to others in the area. then trying to make sure he was safe. >> i looked at him. i looked back at the poster. i'm like, you know, started walking to him, asking him, what's your name? he's like, ryan. i'm like, that's the little boy that's missing. because i see the posters around the park. so i immediately grabbed him and asked him does he know where his parents are. >> go, marie, is what i say. >> i know! >> christie paul. to be clear, ryan was a-okay. son of a producer. she was the only one at least in the clip we saw that said something. >> there were only a couple people that did. we have this conversation with a whole live audience today. you know, there was a psychologist who was at the park as well. she said there is a psychological issue here because if people see it but they don't see anybody else recognizing it, maybe they second guess themselves and they don't want
to get involved so they don't say anything. that can be, you know, a real issue at the same time. but there are a lot of people online who have tweeted me, who have gotten on facebook and said, you know what? we just need to -- when we go to the parks with other kids we need to put our darn phones down. >> put the ipads down, phones down, pay attention. thank you for scaring us a little bit. making us pay super duper attention. >> i'm sorry. he's fine. you need to be beware. coming up, a woman takes her computer to the best buy geek squad. they're the best in the business, right, to be repaired? one year later some risque pictures of her suddenly show up online. how did that happen? that's next. ♪ you're not made of money, so don't overpay for boat insurance.
stuff. passwords. photos. credit card information. is this going to be okay? there is a lawsuit out there file ed just last week against best buy against this alabama art student who said she found her personal photographs plastered on the internet. nude ones. she claims a best buy employee plucked them off her hard drive when she took her computer in for repair. she says she has a witness who works there. it's scary stuff. what is a computer owner to do? charlie worzel of buzz feed. deputy editor. thank you for joining me. let me read something to you first, charlie. best guy geek squad privacy promise. quote, when you work with geek squad you can be 100% sure we're looking out for your best interest. we are committed to responsible information handling practices, et cetera, et cetera. in light of the allegations here i'm guessing that is a promise we might want to be a little skeptical about? >> i think you're right. i think the takeaway from this is that whenever you hand over
your data and it's not encrypted to another person, you can never know what they're going to do. there are a lot of cases out there where people don't do the right thing. >> so knowing that, that not everyone is good and honorable and just, you know, scrub the hard drive and give you back your laptop, what's the takeaway? who doesn't own a laptop or some kind of computer, right? what do we need to do? what are the safeguards? >> i think there's a couple things. first off, when it comes to unsavory pictures of yourself, in this case, the best thing is probably not to take them or if you're going to take them, to delete them, to remove them to a different hard drive, to remove your hard drive before you go and take something to best buy or any other computer repair place. or there's a great number of free encryption services out there. that will make it so that, you
know, people won't be able to read your e ma-mails or look at your photos. it's not that hard. >> free encryption services. got it. charlie warzel, buzz feed, thank you so much for joining me. note to self. coming up, some people say it is the song of the summer. critics of "blurred lines" say it's a rip off of a marvin gay song. you be the judge. ♪
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robin thicke. t.i. all headed to court to protect the rights of their super hit song this summer, "blurred lines." doing this all from the family of r & b soul icon, marvin gay ♪ everybody get up ♪ woo >> sorry. this will be stuck in your head whether you want it to be or not. according to the hollywood reporter, robin, t.i. and farell all claim marvin gay's family and bridgeport music threatened them with litigation if they don't pay up for allegedly stealing the feel, the sound of marvin gay's hit song "gotta give it up." here's that hit song. ♪ >> what to you think? similar. in a proactive move, the attorneys for robin and company filed a lawsuit in a california
federal court yesterday claiming their clients created a hit and did it without copying anyone else's work. we have former federal prosecutor tanya miller and criminal defense attorney janet johnson joining me here. okay. janet, let's begin with you. robin thicke says he has the utmost respect for, you know, marvin gay, his legacy. but if the gay family goes after him, you think there'll be a case there? >> yeah. i think robin's going to have to give it up. because the songs exactly the same song. it's plagiarism. you could say there's a spirit. he actually says there are no similarities in his pleading through his lawyers. there are so many similarities. you could take a note. you could take a lick. but this is the little hooting in the middle. the drumbeat. it's exactly the same song. i think the reason he's going to court is because he knows it's the same song and he wants to get a deal on the table before he gets hundreds of millions of dollars that he's going to owe to marvin gay's family who quite
frankly are entitled to that money. >> tanya, this remind med, remember the whole kerfuffle, the copfy right infringement between vanilla ice and david bowie. he admits he sampled part of bowie's song "under pressure" but said the song wasn't the same. take a listen. >> we stamp ld it from him but it's not the same bass line. it goes -- ♪ that's the way theirs goes. ours goes. ♪ . little bitty change. it's not the same. >> that might be the best sound bite ever. "the new york times" knows that "blurred lines" was heavily influenced by gay, but the lawsuit makes the point the intent of producing "blurred lines" is to invoke an era. >> right. that's one way to put it. i mean, what they're trying to do is wiggle around here. the standard is whether or not it's substantially similar to the original or copyrighted
piece. so they're trying to say while it's -- while it might be similar or inspired by the copyrighted piece, it's different. and i think secondly it's interesting, because they -- that's what they're going to say. i see janet shaking her head. that's what they want to be in a position to say. i thought it was interesting they also added in the funkadelic folks to say they've also said this song is copyright infringement on their piece. >> everybody jumping in. >> that came out before marvin fwr gay's piece came out. there's this line of similarity between all these pieces. i think what they might be setting themselves up to say is, look, the less original the piece is, the more likely it's going to be used in different ways by different people. i think that's what they're trying to say. >> we'll see where the fight goes. tweet me. i'm curious what people think, if it's similar or not. ladies, thank you very much. when we come back, we're going to have an update on our
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top of the hour here on this friday. i'm brooke baldwin. breaking news into us here at cnn. police have shot a man who went on a deadly shooting spree in denver, colorado. police say the suspect, who is currently undergoing surgery, killed one woman, shot another woman in the leg before police could ultimately take him down. but the story here, this is still developing.
right now looking at these pictures here, talking about possible explosives. the bomb squad is on the scene. because the suspect had apparently armed himself with propane tanks, gun powder, a hand grenade. there's a propane tank there. police think there could be more explosives at the scene. no motive is known as of yet. we'll stay on that for you out of denver. meantime the governor of new jersey, chris christie, known for his outspokenness, is so far noticeably quiet on a bill that one family says really means life or death for this 2-year-old little girl. this is vivian wilson. and she suffers from a form of ilepsy that responds well to pot. and only to pot. this is according to her family. so governor christie says today is the day he will decide whether or not he will sign this bill that would allow vivian to consume medical marijuana by eating it. or by drinking it. so right now she can't do that. and you're about to see what happens to her when a seizure strikes. just a warning, it's tough to
look at this 2-year-old on the floor seizing. but this is part of the story here. her father says that this kind of seizure could one day -- here she is. could one day end up killing her. this is called sudden unexplained death in epilepsy. the fear of her dying, he says, compelled him to confront the governor just this past wednesday at a campaign stop. here they were. >> i'm just wondering if i can have half a minute? i've been trying to get ahold of you and can't get through to you. >> sir, these are complicated issues. >> it's simple. >> i know you thipg it's simple, and it's not. i know you think it's simple, and it's not. it's simple for you. it's not simple for me. >> we've had our experts reach out to you. have you heard from our doctors? >> i have. i'll have a decision by friday. i wish for the best for you, your daughter. i'm going to do what's best for
the people of the state. >> do you think it's best for the governor to come between the doctors and its patients? is this a nanny state? >> i'm elected to make the decisions. i'll make it and make it in time for friday. >> our elected representatives have spoken to us and told you what they wanted to do. please don't let my daughter die. don't let my daughter die. >> please don't let my daughter die, governor. here's dr. sanjay gupta. gosh, you think about the governor, right? he says today is the day he's deciding. you hear this father basically pleading to him for his daughter's life if he signs this bill. what do you think he's weighing in this decision? >> i went through an evolution of my own thinking on this. i imagine governor christie is going through some of that as well. you look at a lot of the literature. you'd love to have great science to just make these decisions very clearly. you know, marijuana has been very difficult to study in this country. first of all, it's difficult to study in adults because you're dealing with a substance that's illegal at the federal level.
it's even more difficult to study in children. i'm sure people would like more science behind this. but with this particular condition, having looked around the world, looked at the existing studies, what vivian has and a little girl named charlotte in our documentary, medical marijuana of a particular strain that is high in cbd and low in thc, can be very effective. we saw it with charlotte who went from 300 seizures a week to three or four a month. i imagine brian wilson, father of vivian, he's -- i know he watched the documentary. he told me. he's hoping for the same thing for his daughter. >> do me a favor. if the decision comes down any time soon, stay close. because we want to bring that, of course, to our viewers. we would love your reaction. >> absolutely. >> given everything you've been doing. quick reminder to you, don't forget to watch sanjay's special. it's called "weed." he takes this in-depth look at whether marijuana is harmful, helpful. that airs tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. only here on cnn. dr. gupta, we will see you if we
get some news. >> i'll be here. >> i'll be here. thank you. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com at this hour, blood is flowing once again on the streets of cairo. backers of the egypt islamic religious political party are defying curfew. you see the flames. these are live pictures from cairo. flames shooting through windows of this building as, you know, people are defying a curfew. thousands are staying on the streets to confront their opponents, confront the military. and this was the scene a little earlier. [ gunfire ] >> today's official death toll is 17. but a view of this morgue, look at this body next to body next to body. plus let me just tell you, other reports we're getting here at cnn suggest that count is much, much higher. close to 600 have been killed
since wednesday. i want to show you something that happened just a couple of hours ago. this is cnn's reza sayah in cairo. >> let's go see what's happened. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: okay. this is someone who appears to be injured. i see a hole in his side. come this way. okay. okay. it looks like -- it looks like he's been shot. he looks remarkably calm. i saw what appeared to be a bullet wound in his leg. as we've seen so often, one of the fellow demonstrators taking him on a motorcycle away. and then i think we have another person who's injured. we have another person who appears to be injured on the ground here. okay. we'll see if we can -- okay.
this is just an awful, awful scene. >> cnn's reza sayah there looking at those wounded, gunshot wounds there today. we have also seen this. egyptians standing on this bridge, jumping off on to the street below. apparently to avoid gunfire. so complete and utter chaos. cnn's fred pleitgen joins us and john king is in washington. we saw live pictures of flames shooting out of a building. despite the curfew, clearly people are defiant on the street. set the scene for me tonight. >> reporter: yeah. people definitely are defiant. supporters, of course, of mohamed morsi, the ousted president. part of that islamist muslim brotherhood movement. those clashes are going on in ram s ramzi square in cairo.
from our building here we can hear gunfire ring out occasionally. by and large the streets of cairo really are an eerie place at this point in time. there are vigilante groups out there, pro government, pro military, vigilante groups wielding machetes, wielding batons and baseball bats. they have makeshift check points. it really is a difficult place to navigate. you really don't want to be out there as long as this curfew is going on. there were some more protest marches. keep in mind this was going to be the big day of rage for the muslim brotherhood. for the supporters of the ousted president mohamed morsi. tens of thousands went on the streets. however, many of them never even made it to that place where those clashes are taking place right now because they were held up by the military. they were held up by supporters of the e yipgyptian government. there were clashes there as well. death toll still on the rise. right now officially it's 17. we have seen in the past couple of days those death tolls tend to vary and they certainly tend to go up as the day progresses. and the bodies are counted. we are getting reports that there are some mosques and some
makeshift morgues that are collecting many, many bodies from what's been going on. there are still helicopters in the air as well. clear the chaos is continuing, brooke. >> we've seen the pictures of the bodies in the morgues and from egypt to washington, john king, we saw the president yesterday. really the big announcement that the u.s. will not do the joint military exercise, bright star. goes back decades. the next big question, as we have discussed, that 1.3, 1.5 billi billion in aid the u.s. gives them each and every year. some are calling on the u.s. to stop. if we were to do that would that be sort of like selling out a friend despite how, perhaps, egregious they are acting at the moment? >> that is part of the calculation, brooke. the question is how long do you stand by what has been a traditional friend. you go back to 30 years of president mubarak. one of the reasons the united states doesn't have great standing among the reformers in egypt is because they supported mubarak so long. what the administration would say, what the previous republican administration would say, is that military relationship, you have generals. you have colonels. you have captains who have trained with these egyptian
counterparts who could pick up the telephone. what the critics of the aid are saying in recent days, what are you getting from that trust? those relationships? because the military is clearly not listening when the state department and now the president of the united states say, please, take a more measured approach. please, try to find a way to defuse the tension here. this is become part of the debate. what the administration is hoping after the president's word yesterday is we wouldn't have another day like this. your words are so important. complete and utter chaos. this is supposed to be the anchor of stability. >> the corner stone of middle east peace. >> corner stone of the middle east. it is a mess right now, and it is spiralling out of control. the administration is hoping that situation comes to some relative stability and then we see what happens in egypt and there's less about what should the united states do about that aid package. at the moment fred's there watching it play out. things are getting worse, not better. >> john king and fred fligpleit thank you so much. back here at home, custody battle for toddler veronica may be near a turning point.
this is a case that has gone all the way from local courts in south carolina and oklahoma all the way to the u.s. supreme court. for months and months the toddler's adoptive parents have squared off against veronica's buy lod biological father. randi kaye outside oklahoma's cherokee county courthouse. what's the update in this, randi? >> reporter: the update, brooke, is right now both sides are in mediation. which is pretty remarkable. because they spent hours here at the cherokee county courthouse behind me this morning. we thought maybe there might have been a handover of veronica who's now almost 4 years old. but it turns out that it doesn't appear there was. because now both sides are back in mediation at tribal court. just to explain that a little bit, you probably need a little bit more of the background. dustin brown, the biological father, is cherokee. he's a member of the cherokee nation here in oklahoma. he went to the south carolina supreme court after the adoptive parents have tried to adopt veronica at birth. he went there and said you can't
do this. there's a federal law on the books that says you have to keep indian children in indian families. that went all the way up to the supreme court, brooke. the supreme court said this law doesn't apply to this case. they handed it back to the south carolina supreme court. which said guess what, the adoption holds. this child has to go back to matt and melanie, the adoptive parents. dustin brown was supposed to hand her over just a couple of weeks ago. he's now had her for about 19 months. the adoptive parents had her for almost two years -- more than two years. it's a bit of a tug of war. it seems to be continuing. it was really interesting out here this morning. both families came in. their heads were hung pretty low. neither one of them wanted to talk to the media. there were protesters outside saying native american children aren't for sale. almost as if they own veronica and they want her. i can just tell you what happened after both sides left. we only sawdust dustin brown, biological father leaving. his parents leaving and his
lawyer. look what happened when we tried to speak to him. sir, can you say anything about the next steps here or what happened inside? >> i can't. i'm sorry. i'd like to. >> reporter: i threw a lot of questions at dustin brown, brooke. i kept asking him did it go your way? were you happy what happened inside? he wouldn't look in my direction. we've interviewed him before. he had nothing to say. his mother, veronica's grandmother was actually crying. she was in tears in the truck. we thought there was a handover. once again both sides back in tribal court also trying to get jurisdiction in this case, the cherokee nation. quite a mess still. >> sounds like it. randi kaye, thank you for coming on. we'll look for you on ""ac360" tonight. an update in the shocking video we showed you earlier this week. this maximum security jail now has leaders investigating. a lot of people asking what happened. remember this? this is the jail in an ins tent,
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was it a computer glitch? a rogue security guard? all the cell doors at this miami m maximum security jail, boom. the prisoners running out run toward their apparent target. realizing his under attack reputed gang leader kenneth williams bolts down the hallway of the top tier maximum security wing. you'll see nit a second. here we goes with his shorts on. he jumps over the rail. we see him once he hops over the rail, here he comes. and we see him once he falls, he's writhing in agony. here he goes. the fall fracturing his vertebrae, breaking his ankle. wire magazine got access to william's handwritten account of what happened. i read it. there are all kinds of grammatical issues. let me give you the gist of what he's saying. he says, i was sitting in my
cell room when the doors opened and i saw four inmates come into my room with something in their hands. i had something, too, but i jumped off the second floor because i was scared for my life. i want to know why the doors were kept open. ken zeter wrote this article for wire magazine. she joins me now. kim, good to see you. you talked to the prisoner's attorney. he told you this. quote, it's hard to imagine the doors open without an assist from guards or some other accomplice on the inside. what are prison officials telling you? what about this possible glitch? >> well, the officials don't really know what happened. the guards are saying that they didn't do it. they feel they didn't even accidentally push the button. and all the prison has to go on right now are some computer logs that show an operator error occurred. but they don't really understand why that means. what the computer is referring to when it says operator error. >> let me be clear for the viewers. i talked to the miami herald reporter who broke this story
earlier. this actually happened some months ago. they in an effort to safeguard this further, it's not just one button you hit and all the doors open. there's actually a second prompt here. prompt. so somebody would have had to have responded to the second prompt. you talked to some security researchers who say that there is even a chance this could have been an outside hack. do you think someone could really pull this off at this maximum security jail? >> yeah. well, there are two possibilities here. it's -- one possibility is that it is someone completely outside the prison. and that they obtained some kind of remote access to the prison. the other possibility is that it involved someone else inside the prison who's on another computer not in a control station. it really depends on how the system was set up and configured. in some cases, there are prisons that don't set them up securely and have some systems that are facing the internet. if you have any one system facing the internet that's also connected to the network that controls secure systems inside the prison, an outside hacker
can route their way into the control system. even if you don't have the systems connected to the internet, however, systems inside the prison tend to be networked together. so that you could have a control system computer that seems to be secure, but you have other computers throughout the prisons that are for administrative purposes. either in the cafeteria or some place else. they may be connected to the same network. so it's possible that someone else inside the prison then hacked into the control system through another computer. >> you know -- we know for a fact they're talking to these guards, trying to figure out if it was someone on the inside or possibly someone on the outside. kim zetter, wired magazine. kim, thank you. >> you're welcome. ahead, allegations of sex, drugs and conspiracy. the person facing charges? a well respected judge. police say his secretary cut off an affair with him, and that's when he took action. now this man is accused and charged with abusing his power. we'll tell you what he allegedly did and what he has to say about it.
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point. as soon as we get more information on that, we will pass that along to you live. meantime, more breaking news as we were reporting at the top of both of the hours here. we have been awaiting a huge decision from the governor of new jersey, chris christie, as far as whether or not he would sign this bill that would ultimately, hopefully, in the sake of this little girl, this is 2-year-old valerie wilson, allow her to live. her father confronted chris christie just this past week at a campaign stop, basically saying please don't let my daughter die, is what this father was saying. and jake tapper has the news. let me go to washington. jake tapper, what has the governor decided? >> well, the governor has decided he's going to issue what's known as a conditional veto. which means he is not accepting the bill as it is. but if the legislature makes a couple changes to it, he is signaling he is willing to sign it. those changes are the following. the bill as it stands would allow edible marijuana for everyone in new jersey. everyone who registers with the
program and is qualified. the governor is saying only for children. it needs to be just for children, the edible marijuana. the other change is that for adults, there are doctors and psychiatrists who are registered with the prescriptive program. if you are an adult, you only need one doctor saying that you qualify in order to get the medical marijuana. and the legislation on his desk says it is the same for children. governor christie would like it to be two. both a registered psychiatrist and a registered pediatrician with the program. so those are the changes he's asking for. limiting edible marijuana just for kids and requiring one additional physician for children. but other than that, he's signaling with those modifications, he will sign the bill. >> jake, let me just ask you. i know you have sources. as you've been talking to people as you're breaking the news, do you have any idea how governor christie came to this decision? any intel? >> not as of now.
i was focused more on the policy than on the color behind it and the reasoning behind it. what has been explained to me by sources close to the governor is that he was never opposed to the idea of medical marijuana. he just wanted to have appropriate checks. obviously that's a concern for any governor who is passing a medical marijuana law or overseeing a medical marijuana law. you want to make sure it isn't abused. and that is the decision that they made, is that these two changes to the bill would make it suitable and appropriate as far as governor christie is concerned. now, i don't know what the political reaction is going to be to this. he is obviously rejecting this legislation as it stands. he is vetoing it. but it is a conditional veto. make these two changes, he is saying, and i will sign the bill. >> jake tapper, we appreciate you getting the news on the policy very much. let me bring in two voices. we have both our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. also joining me on the fine, mar marcy seidel.
first you heard jake. i'm hearing the two takeaways. edible marijuana, which is what this family wanted, right, because you're not going to have a 2-year-old smoking marijuana, so this means it could be a butter. it could be an oil for her to ingest. only for kids. and that for a child to get this type of marijuana, two doctors to sign off on it. >> yeah. that's a very similar approach to what colorado has taken as well. i know that parents in colorado, they do need to get more than one doctor to sign off on this. and i think, you know, reasonably that seems like a pretty good approach. also the idea that it can be an edible. you know, in the cases of young children, you could create a tincture or something like that could be very nice instead of obviously they're not going to vaporize or smoke this. there was another thing as well in this. that is that he also lifted this idea that decembispensaries can have three strains of marijuana. he's saying they can have more strains. that could also be very important. that's another part of what he
said here. because you want to find the strain that is very specific for this high in cbd and low in thr. that's a crucial part of this mix as well. >> marcy, i want you to weigh in on this. you hear the news from the governor. where to you stand on all of this? >> we think it's very important for the fda to be involved in this entire process. they are, in fact, our system upon which we make our medicines and distribute our medicines. they're the ones that make sure we have safe medicines, dosages are adequate and they actually do what they are intended to do. as we sit right now looking at this, there has not been enough research to know that any of this works and it's going to work. and certainly putting a 2-year-old at jeopardy, we feel a little bit unsure about having this happen. we also know right now that there is already on the market a thc based marinol, a pill already cannabis based that safe and it's legal. the quality and the dosages of it are all standard. and that's available now.
so we encourage people to look at those types of things before they rush to put something on that has no -- has no standard set for them at this point. especially for a young child. >> a 2-year-old. sanjay, i want you to respond to two of her points. one we've talked about. you've done this whole documentary. you've talked so much about research. wishing there were more of it. two, responding to this pill that she talks about. what's the research? >> look, i mean, i think everybody -- that's the one point i think everyone agrees on. we would love to have more research. i think even marcie would concede, other organizations conceded it's difficult to do that research certainly in the united states. the organization which ultimately approves marijuana to be used as part of these studies is an organization known as nida. national institute on drug abuse. their core mission is to study drug abuse. they're not looking as mu for the much for the benefits of these medications. i know from talking to researchers that's a really hard obstacle in order to get these studies done. having said that we also know in
the case of vivian, as in the case of charlotte, the existing medications simply did not work. for charlotte she was having 300 seizures a week despite being on seven different medications. they literally got to the point, brooke, where they wanted to compound a veterinary pill for her. that's certainly something the fda hasn't looked at either. but in her case thankfully for her, this high cbd strain of marijuana did really help control her seizures. marinol is not a good analog here. i think marcie would concede to this. marinol is basically isolated thc in high doses. you have to understand the issue. people really need to understand. we're not talking about high thc here. we're talking about cbd as a medicine. there's plenty of research showing it is the cbd that has the medical benefit. also that you probably need a combination of both for it to be as effective as possible in the body. >> okay. sanjay gupta, thank you very much. marcie seidel, thank you very much for your perspective. "weed" tonight 10:00 p.m.,
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the republican national committee is threatening to freeze out two networks from the party's 2016 presidential debates. the organization says it's in response to not just cnn, but nbc's plans to air programs about hillary clinton. cnn recently commissioned a documentary about clinton while nbc is developing a dramatic mini series. peter hamby working this one for us in boston today. what is the rnc doing? what action are they taking? >> reporter: well, brooke, the republican national committee says this is about media bias. they say that cnn and nbc are going to be airing infomercials for hillary clinton who would be
the presumptivive front-runner for the democratic nomination if she does run for president in 2016. they're stirring up tons of media attention over this. they're capturing e-mail addresses, raising money, you know, playing on long standing grieve advances with the quote, unquote, liberal media here. but what this is really about, brooke, and reince priebus has been talking about this for months, is limiting the number of republican primary debates. in 2012 there were 20 primary debates. >> there were a lot. >> republican insiders -- a lot. republican insiders in washington fretted that these debates, you know, took candidates off the campaign trail, put them on to a debate stage and forced them to make crippling gaffes in full view of the national public over and over and over again. and damage them in the general election. the republican national committee in their post election autopsy report described the number of debates as ridiculous. they've been trying to limit the number of debates. they see cnn and nbc programs as an opportunity to sort of, you
know, hem in the number of debates, brooke. >> let me make sure we get cnn's response. peter happenby, thank you very much. cnn releasing a statement about the clinton documentary saying in part, quote, the project is in the very early stages of development, months from completion with most of the reporting and the interviewing still to be done. we encouraged all interested parties to wait until the program premieres before judgments are made about it. unfortunately, the rnc was not willing to do that. concerning its planned mini series about clinton, nbc says its news and entertainment divisions are separate. let's listen to sound from the chairman of the rnc, reince priebus. >> for the first time, for the first time, our party rules allow us to take action on these debates. so it's time that we do what's right for our party and our candidates. and by the way, it's the right thing to do for our voters. >> reince priebus there speaking. coming up, allegations of
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well, it's not exactly every day you hear of a judge getting arrested. that's exactly what happened to judge michael thornsbury. thornsbury is accused of having an affair with his secretary. after she apparently cut things off with him, a u.s. attorney says he tried to frame her husband and have him tossed in jail. >> judge thornsbury set off on a campaign to persecute his secretary's husband. his romantic rival. in the process, he corrupted the system of justice in mingo county. for his own nefarious purposes. his campaign included a scheme to plant illegal drugs on the
rival's truck. >> here's a little bit more of the back story. police had stopped his secretary's husband, searched him for drugs, jailed him. that didn't work. the u.s. attorney says the co-conspirator actually backed out. so this judge here is also accused of going after the husband again. and then attempting to manipulate a grand jury. he is charged with conspireing to have a man illegally arrested. here is how he feels about that. >> the truth will be told and i'll be acquitted. >> why do you believe that you'll be acquitted? >> because i'm not guilty. >> on the case with me, attorney darren kavinoky and criminal defense attorney janet johnson. listen, i know you're innocent till proven guilty. but, darren, career ender? >> brooke, yeah. this is a tough one to bounce back from. by the way, i mean, the heart wants what the heart wants, brooke. >> darren. >> and, look, women can be
awful, too. women can be awful, too. jodi arias is exhibit "a." but men just have a way of being especially piggish about things, don't they? i mean, on behalf of everybody with a "y" chromosome, i just want to apologize on behalf of anthony weiner and now this guy. >> can i say my male executive producer just got in my ear and said, piggish? taking offense to that, eric hall. right here. >> there's some evidence there's some romantic involvement, though. it's worth bringing out that the secretary, his secretary, and he have admitted to some romantic involvement. at least his motivations for framing this guy are pure. don't you think, janet? >> janet, jump in. >> so the point being this isn't about being a man. i mean, i can accept that. but this is a judge. as someone who's in court every single day, and i have judges tell me what to wear, when to talk. i have to stand up when they walk into the room. and they're responsible for
whether my clients go to jail or prison or get set free. we just don't expect judges to act like this. this is what makes our criminal justice system the greatest in the world, that we can walk into court and not fear that there's corruption. i have clients say to me will the judge do something that's illegal or not? i generally feel confident saying, no way. a judge would never do that. >> what about -- let's play the if game. if this judge is convicted, what about all the people who he has -- who've been convicted in cases before him? does that then open a can of worms to retry their cases? >> i've done that. i've done that as a defense attorney. and i'm doing it right now with a federal law enforcement agent, and she had an affair and there was a record of it because she used the credit card for the state. i'm using that to undo duis. not even felonies or offenses where my clients went to prison. so, yeah, this is a can of worms. he's going to get close to 20 years in prison, i would expect. >> darren? >> if he's convicted. and by the way, i agree that
defense lawyers want to exploit every opportunity they can for the benefit of their client. indeed, that is their obligation. the challenge may be to show that whatever this misconduct was, as being related to a decision that was made, it happened in the underlying case. it's not just undo what was done. >> the secretary and her husband plan to file a civil suit. got to leave it there, darrell and janet. happy friday to both of you. coming up, this is an emotional and heartbreaking story. no doubt about it. remember summer thompson? she was abducted four years ago. her body was eventually found in a landfill. now her mother is talking about how she is still coping four years later with the loss. >> it never goes away. you just learn how to live with it better. you know, the further you get into the process.
after a week of being held captive, hannah anderson is out socializing with her friend. she is the 16-year-old kidnapping victim rescued from a family friend who also allegedly murdered her mother and brother. so hannah went to a local restaurant just yesterday to attend this fund-raiser with her family and just imagine, they
have to now cope with not just one, two funerals and other expenses. her friends talked about how the 16-year-old is doing. >> she's like acting strong for everyone and i think that's more of just like for her appearance, but i could tell that there's something inside of her that's upset. like when we're all like having a good time and once everyone stops laughing, she kind of gets this serious look on her face. >> when you think of hannah's story, it hits one mother particularly hard. her daughter, who was all of 7, was taken from her. her name is summer thompson. with her story, she did not survived. she was sexually assaulted and strangled at the age of 7. now her mother is speaking out, doing what she can to help other parents avoid her suffering. deana thompson sat down with me
today. >> it made me realize that life is really precious and really short and we have to grasp at the ones around us and make them feel good. >> reading and being familiar with your story, you said before it could happen to anyone. >> anyone. 93% of the time it's someone the child knows and trusts. you know, a high percentage for the parents also knowing this person but sometimes unfortunately our children know other people that we're unaware of, whether that be out riding on a bike or walking from school or somewhere they could know someone you don't. that's how the 93% gets there. >> her twin brother, samuel. he just started second grade. >> he did. >> fifth grade, forgive me. fifth grade. so he wants to walk, bike to school? >> he wants to ride his bike but it's hard to let go. i don't want to push my paranoias off on him but i'm so very scared because this shouldn't have happened in the first place.
the odds of it happening again are astronomical but it wasn't supposed to happen the first time. so it's really hard for me to differentiate between it's not going to happen but it could happen. so just that thought in my mind really scares me. >> with what happened to summer, by the way, they caught the guy, he's gone away for a long, long time. >> he got six consecutive life sentencing. >> and with what happened with hannah in the news, here you are, four years later, parents are talking and listening. can keeps happening though. what do parents need to know? >> we need to be more pro active, rather than reactive. we need to be teaching parents all these nonprofits offer. i work for a program called speak up, be safe, implemented out of 51 out of 64 counties in florida. it's a nationwide program in florida. in florida they deliver it free in public school. ♪ [ crashing ]
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